Anyone know a lot about WWII Navy?
Question: I just received information on my grandfather, who was in the Navy during WWII. I was reading that African Americans were given the lowest jobs they had back then. My grandfather was a Steward. My understanding is that it meant he served people on the ship. Anyway, some of the information on the forms I don't quit understand. For example, on his notice of separation papers, it says ratings held and lists: AS, STM2/C, STM1C. Okay I looked up the AS and it appears to be the abbreviation for an Aviation Support Equipment Technician. That doesn't make sense to me. Would they have given a black marine during this time a job like that? I wish they would have. I'm not sure what it means, and my grandfather is no longer alive. Can someone please tell me what those abbreviations stand for and if the AS is correct. Thank you.
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Be careful when looking up insignia. There have been some major changes between World War 2 and today. According to the first source link I posted below: AS = Apprentice Seaman during World War 2 According to the second source link I posted below: STM2/C = Steward's Mate 2nd Class during World War 2 STM1/C = Steward's Mate 1st Class during World War 2 So basically, your grandfather probably started out as a Seaman Recruit, which has no insignia. Then after successfully completing some basic training, he was promoted to AS. This is a basic rank earned by sailors who have completed passed some military testing but have not indicated what specialty they want to train for. They perform various manual labor duties aboard ships and at shore installations. By the time of his next promotion to STM2/C, he was designated a steward striker. This indicates that he was either in training to become a steward or had completed steward schooling. And when his next promotion came along, probably while serving as a steward at sea or shore, he became a Steward's Mate 1st Class. While it is true that many enlisted black Americans were limited to jobs as servants (Stewards), some black Americans were allowed to become officers and train as pilots. The Tuskegee Airmen are the most famous. /
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My grandfather was Steward in the Coast Guard, though he was Filipino (with a 4 yr degree from Washington U no less). As has been stated, the rates have significantly changed since WWII. Many have been discarded, combined, and the Rate/Rank system has evolved as well. However, the way yours reads, it would be: AS = Apprentice Seaman (essentially an E-2 today, or Seaman Apprentice). There were different grades also. STM2/C = Steward's Mate 2nd Class STM1/C = Steward's Mate 1st Class You can see the Steward Rate/Rank insignia here: http://usmcwwiidogtags.com/rank A Navy Steward was essentially an Officer's Wardroom Cook and Servant; it was considered higher class duty over regular mess cooks. Most senior officers in the military in WW2 also had some type of servant or assistant; that practice continues today, though it's usually an officer (LT) rather than a Senior Petty Officer that does the duty. For wardrooms these days, it's usually Senior Petty Officers (cooks) that handle wardroom duties, usually a First Class or Chief in some cases.
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From what I understand, African American sailors and soldiers in WWII were not, generally speaking, placed in combat units. There are exceptions, like the Tuskegee Airmen, but most African Americans served in support roles in those days. Yes, they served as stewards and cooks at the beginning of the war. But as the war went on, the Navy could no longer maintain such a strict segregation policy, especially since many African Americans had technical skills that were in short supply. Many African Americans started to fill highly specialized technical roles as engineers as the war progressed. Here's a photo of an African American working on a navy combat plane at the Seattle Naval Air Station: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/image... So it is indeed possible that your grandfather was more than just a cook or a steward, especially if he served late in the war.
Jackie Robinson From 1942 to 1944, after the Pearl Harbor surprise attack, Jackie Robinson was drafted to serve as a second lieutenant in the United States Army. During his training in Texas with what would later become the first black tank unit to see combat, the 761st "Black Panthers" Tank Battalion, Robinson was ordered by a white bus driver to move to the back of the segregated bus, which he refused to do. Robinson was then arrested by MPs and transferred to the 758th Battalion by the base commander, because his white battalion commander rejected the court-martial charges against Robinson. While the commander of the 758th consented to the insubordination charges, Robinson was later acquitted by a white military jury. Shortly thereafter, he received an honorable discharge. As such, Robinson never saw combat action during World War II. Robinson's actions during his military service not only presaged his breaking of the color line in baseball, but some people may believe that he may also have influenced, however indirectly, President Harry S. Truman’s decision to integrate U.S. Armed forces in 1948. became the first African-American major league baseball player of the modern era in 1947. While not the first African American professional baseball player in United States history, his Major League debut with the Brooklyn Dodgers ended approximately eighty years of baseball segregation, also known as the baseball color line, or color barrier. In the United States at this time, many white people believed that blacks and whites should be segregated or kept apart in many phases of life, including sports and daily life. The Baseball Hall of Fame inducted Robinson in 1962 and he was a member of six World Series teams. He earned six consecutive All-Star Game nominations and won several awards during his career. In 1947, Robinson won The Sporting News Rookie of the Year Award and the first Rookie of the Year Award. Two years later, he was awarded the National League MVP Award. In addition to his accomplishments on the field, Jackie Robinson was also a forerunner of the Civil Rights Movement. In the 1960s, he was a key figure in the establishment and growth of the Freedom National Bank, an African-American owned and controlled entity based in Harlem, New York.[2 sorry about not being in the military but he is one of the most famous athletes that was around during WWII
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